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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 3, 2010 7:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's Barn Burner...or Cube Killer, whichever (not TDIH)

Yeah, don't get me started about yesterday. Let's just say that my moat just got deeper and wider.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 3, 2010 8:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's Barn Burner...or Cube Killer, whichever (not TDIH)

If it gets too bad, don't forget Blue Ridge Compound East.

The ability to play fiddle, banjo, doghouse bass, mandolin or flatpick a dreadnought practically guarantees doors wide open.

If you have heirloom seeds for barley and a 40 gallon copper pot still with a 4 foot (minimum) mash tun riser - well that seals it.

Bonus points for:
Ability to tie a fly
An heirloom seed inventory
Ability to shoe a horse
Blacksmithing skills
Ability to plow a field without petroleum derived energy
Ability to shoot straight to 600 meters
EMT training

You get the picture....

Oh yeah, the Cube Killer is being received about like I expected it to be. Which is to say I don't care, because I like it. Yet another step farther into the 80s......

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 3, 2010 11:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's Barn Burner...or Cube Killer, whichever (not TDIH)

I was supposed to have Gunny Carlos Hathcock as head of security, but he passed away before the compound was comleted.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 3, 2010 11:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's Barn Burner...or Cube Killer, whichever (not TDIH)

I think I've mentioned before that we do have two SEALs in our "community".

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 3, 2010 9:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's Barn Burner...or Cube Killer, whichever (not TDIH)

Ha--was looking at the old man's Lee Enfield over the weekend, 1916 issue, and scanning the web to find that the record for this bolt action gun of fame for so many wars over so many years was a Welshman (or was it Scots?) in the King's service that got off 38 shots in a minute, all within some small measure (24"?) on a target 2-300 yds away! I know I have my facts wrong there, BUT you get the idea; damn impressive what those brit's (sorry Rob) could do with a bolt action rifle req'ing at list three magazine replacements within a minute. Explains how 20,000 Zulu were held at bay for over an hr by men standing roughly 10 m apart (~ 800), til the amunition ran out...though they used the precursor, HMartini...

Back to the DEAD.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 3, 2010 9:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's Barn Burner...or Cube Killer, whichever (not TDIH)

Before you go . That was cool .
38/shots a min. for a bolt action ? I wonder if that was typical in combat situations , or if that's a rifle range number ?
I couldn't find the specific Scots or Welsh bolt action rifle in my searches . I found the Garand and the Lee-Enfeild , the latter being close to the one you describe used by the British army . ( Marines as well ?)
Yada . Yada . I am reading about Passchendaele at the moment so the iron is hot , so to write . Do you have the name or place to search so I can be more obsessive on my history jones . Thanks .

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 3, 2010 12:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's Barn Burner...or Cube Killer, whichever (not TDIH)

Sorry, rushing, but seems MJ answered: yes, defn range shooting. There are accts of Germans returning with tales of new machine guns in use at positions entirely manned by the ORIGINAL brits sent over (ie, the "real army" in 1914), so even under fire they could, and did, approach 10-15 rounds, aimed, per minute.

And yup, MJ, quite a fan of the entire Zulu era in So Africa, history wise. BTW, current thinking suggests Pulliene not Dunford was in charge, but trivia. Here's the wiki entry on the tactic:


"The buffalo horns formation of the Zulu army: Zulu typically took the offensive, deploying in the well-known "buffalo horns" formation. It was composed of three elements:

1.the "horns", or flanking right and left wing elements, to encircle and pin the enemy. Generally the "horns" were made up of younger, inexperienced troops.

2.the "chest" or central main force which delivered the coup de grace. The prime fighters made up the composition of the main force.

3.the "loins" or reserves used to exploit success or reinforce elsewhere. Often these were older veterans. Sometimes these were positioned with their backs to the battle so as not to get unduly excited. The tactic was called the beast's horns by the Zulu and was called "impondo zekomo" in the native Zulu tongue.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 3, 2010 10:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's Barn Burner...or Cube Killer, whichever (not TDIH)

I use this one a lot....

http://www.britishbattles.com/

The Martini-Henry WT was referring to is/was an amazing breech loaded, bolt action. The 38 rds/min is the record rate of fire in a relatively controlled environment, but entirely unsustainable during a battle. Barrel heating would have caused warping and heating of the falling block would have likely caused misfires, albeit quickly clearable. Same for the internal spring striker.

WT probably knows if the 410 grain carbine load was used instead of the 480 grain infantry load during the Zulu wars - getting tagged by either would really suck.

The difference is like arguing over whether it's worse to get hit by a Kenworth or a Peterbilt.

Okay, now I yield my remaining time blah, blah, blah...

Damn you guys, I'm not getting much work done today.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 3, 2010 7:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's Barn Burner...or Cube Killer, whichever (not TDIH)

That is a great site Mando .
WT , 10 to 15 shots/minute with .30 caliber bolt action rifle , for that time , is amazing . The first British army in 1914 was a professional army as well , before 'The Pals' and July 1 , 1915 ( a date which I mark as the beginning of the end of the British empire ).
Thanks guys . Good stuff .

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 3, 2010 9:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today's Barn Burner...or Cube Killer, whichever (not TDIH)

Isandlwana?

That was an impressive stand. It might have turned out differently if Durnford's 24th Foot hadn't run out of ammo and been able to hold the flank a little longer. His main force at the front had the Zulus completely pinned down because of their shooting accuracy.

Do you remember what the classic Zulu attack formation was called? I vaguely remember 'buffalo horn' or something along those lines?

I now yield the remainder of my time to my esteemed colleagues who wish to get back to the Dead......

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